heck of a job, brownie, to what governor christie is now saying about the federal response, in this environment we can really see how much fema is needed. >> you're absolutely right. fema is needed. you're also right that there's a distinction between benghazi. the difference is fema's role is derivative. the governor calls fema in. they don't have any independent authority to go into new jersey or new york. in benghazi, there's only one person with the ability to lead us, and that was the president of the united states. now the president is reacting to requests from governors. and he's leading and doing the right thing. then when he was the sole person at the desk, making the decisions, he flies to las vegas. and i think that is outrageous. >> we have got to get to commercial break. this is an interesting discussion. >> want to talk more? >> we'll talk more about fema as well. a lot of reporters have shouted questions to mitt romney. he hasn't said -- i think 14 times or so he has been asked and he's domged the question. i want to know if that will be problematic for him. we'll talk with bob m